Its online accounting for IP?

Hi all. We are young entrepreneurs and we are faced with the question of how without the high cost of doing accounting online. Feeling a lot of services have come to the conclusion that it is very convenient, but expensive. Decided to write for themselves. What do You think is important? Or is it better to use an existing one?

The advantages of its:
- do under him
- you finished the necessary functionality
- development experience (priceless)
- will knowledge of the tax code and reporting
- the opportunity to grow in a startup (dreams)
- if the project will work to help you save money as poor as we are)

- time and effort
- not all features will be available initially, constantly have something to edit and to add
July 2nd 19 at 17:39
4 answers
July 2nd 19 at 17:41
do under him

Service-you will be able to do for themselves, but the financial statements will have to pass the tax. And for the delay and the errors it will to punish.


Nothing is for free — will pay with their time that could be spent on other projects. But if nakosyachili —pay and tax.

you finished the necessary functionality

That's just the need you have now, and do you suppose in a month.

will appear in knowledge of the tax code and reporting

Wanted to be programmers — will become accountants. You will hire other programmers who don't want to be accountants.

the opportunity to grow in a startup (dreams)

Possible. If you will live. You dreamed about it? And you will be better than the competition?

if the project will work to help you save money as poor as we are)

So the poor do not have money for your service, and they'll gash your startup dreams. Which can help you save money as poor as they...

the time and effort

But it does not have the uncle (or aunt) to pay — it's great.

not all features will be available initially, constantly have something to edit and to add

And the tax will not wait — she needs reporting on time, in full and without errors. And Yes, before the end of the quarter will be released some Ministry of Finance Letter No. 42-42-ZHP/98765 with explanations of the procedure for submission of statements according to the changes in the forms buhotchetnosti (order No. 666ю) defined by order No. 321ъ in order according to the law No. 1313-FL.
In the first place. Thank you! Everything is painted correctly no doubt)
1. Do for themselves - was meant not to change the law for themselves) And do the functions that we need, in addition to the mandatory.
2. I agree. Time is money, but for lack of money, but of knowledge, you can implement the idea.
Nobody said that the service if they get paid.
3. I agree. Here as lucky) have Time - well, not yet bad. - guarantees paid services either.
4. Here I agree partially. Nobody said that you have fully to understand ourselves in everything. You can ask for advice from an accountant or find a friend)
5. Dream meant, what it dreams of. The better competitors is the eternal question in any project. And the dream we all about happiness and prosperity in life.
6. There was a view that the project will not be paid. Many of us earn using free software (and its development and support doing the same as we are)
7. Duck all projects rise or out of a desire to make money or because of the reluctance of anyone to pay.
8. There is no doubt. It we like.

I'm not saying that this project should be. Because of this, I decided to ask the opinion of other people.
I doubt this undertaking and understand that the future of the venture is uncertain, and given the effort and time, not the fact that the returns will be and the project will not be abandoned (and this is always the most disappointing).
You need to think in the other direction)), And to put that thought out of my head) it is a Pity that a good and clever ideas come rarely. - sean29 commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:44
in p. 1, I did not mean a change in the law, and what is necessary for you and necessary for the tax are two different things - cortney.Kuhic commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:47
in paragraph 4, why would you constant advice to get? - cortney.Kuhic commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:50
in claim 1. a little do not understand each other
in 4. well, in the end, it will send much more..
Yes, it's better to look for cheaper and use the existing ones. - sean29 commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:53
July 2nd 19 at 17:43
And then what of buhgalteria onlaynovskie it is inexpensive. Do you still time will spend more and integrating with tax or with what may be a test of counterparties.
Well as not expensive. For example, the same circuit is asking 12,000 per year for the full version to add all this new cash register with data transmission, where in the year 3000 the CRF will need to give.. and that is already 15,000 a year... for a small Yip as ours - it is expensive..
And integration with the tax man, You understand what? Sending statements? - sean29 commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:46
: Well, 12 thousand a year is NOT expensive, yet account for 12 per year, contributions to the FIU 27 - cortney.Kuhic commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:49
: 3000 CRF is a cashier or what? - cortney.Kuhic commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:52
: Well checking account for example, we have not 12 per year, and 5400 . Well, I'm not arguing it's nothing... but there is 12+there are 3 more there 23 another +5, and even for employees give ~30%, and even taxes of 15% and pay rent here and climbs the amount is not small... would be the income of the big questions would not be... And so you want to save. And that is not a reproach to the final product.. but still there is a rental after all.. In the end in the year accumulates not a small amount.. But right now more and give everyone a credit card with a Commission of 2-3% with you... And in the end, or the meager profit or to skimp on quality, but it turns out to cheat their customers..

Yes, I understand that the submission of reports through the Internet is a problem in the implementation and in this sense is no, but the accounting of expenses and revenues for reporting purposes is a good thing (but pay for it dearly does not want to).

To go and report once a year no problem.. But keep it a big issue.. It's good when like 30 slips in a quarter, and when 100 or more? Payslips may in fact be a lot of profit from each penny - sean29 commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:55
5400 rpm is in which Bank? And about 3000 CRF did not answer. And the rest, so all it live )) 30% try not to pay, live on the minimum wage or not be employed, or freelancers take - sean29 commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:58
: Yes, the CRF is the fiscal data operator for data transfer to the tax from cash... and the Bank modelbank. There is a tariff and is free, but that's expensive payment system - Tyreek.Stoke commented on July 2nd 19 at 18:01
: why do you register? Developers typically work by Bank transfer - Tyreek.Stoke commented on July 2nd 19 at 18:04
: Well, we're not only developers))) At the moment, still have the online shop.. Here for it and need the cash... as in the offline plan is still to move - sean29 commented on July 2nd 19 at 18:07
: and for frilanserov need to be deducted on taxes? - Tyreek.Stoke commented on July 2nd 19 at 18:10
In theory you need - sean29 commented on July 2nd 19 at 18:13
July 2nd 19 at 17:45
Strange , but for entrepreneurs, it's simple if no more than 30 slips per quarter. I spend:
once a quarter 10 minutes on filling books
- quarterly: 3 minutes to pay tax
- once a year: 1 hour per Declaration
- once a year submission of Declaration: half day
- once a year visit to the pension Fund: half a day
- once a year - payment fees, PFR: 15 minutes

A total of 1.5 days to conduct the PI.
Plus receiving and sending acts is about the work done. 20 min/act. - sean29 commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:48
: Well, we still need to keep records of all transactions for control and comfort, as payroll will be more than 30 and by Bank transfer and cash. Now filling of all documents will take a little time, but in the future will be more difficult. - cortney.Kuhic commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:51
: Yes, and I want as though that was all the rules... constantly writing income and expenses in a form on the website, and you can calculate the tax, he reminds them, formyruet necessary papers.. no digital signature and integration with tax and can send by e-mail... - cortney.Kuhic commented on July 2nd 19 at 17:54
July 2nd 19 at 17:47
To write his system of accounting is, of course, experience is huge, but just think - is this a priority for Your business? I am sure that the time it takes a lot and hardly ever justified such effort.

In my opinion, after a year (almost) of using online accounting, its main plus is kept informed about any changes in legislation, introduction of new reports and other news from the state.

About the cost of the services - I would not say that now they are expensive. We blog recently published a review of this market in Russia. If someone is interested, you can read here:

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