Official employment on remote — exception or rule?

Good afternoon.
I want to fulfill his cherished dream - to get away from the office on udalenku, especially because it's the only way for it workers from the provinces to rise above 30-40K.
But the three companies that responded to my responses, was denied official employment. One asked me to arrange a UI for official relations.
So I want to know - it is common practice to work remotely, or I just came across such companies?
June 5th 19 at 21:23
13 answers
June 5th 19 at 21:25
From experience I can say 30/30/30 somewhere. 30% of formal employment, 30% after PI and 30% with no clearance at all. Who are the other 10%? Scammers! :)
June 5th 19 at 21:27
Design UI and a normal situation. Especially if the company takes care of registration and maintenance of IP (which often happens in odors, where 90% of employees - SP).
But just contract when you are UN - normal.

But fully official employment as a staff member, you are not in the office, do not live in the city, and it is banal not can come and sign the documents - this of course also happens, but not often.
And what about holidays/sick leave in the case of an entrepreneur? - manue commented on June 5th 19 at 21:30
if in brief, then forget that it exists xD
In business there are no days off, vacations and sick leave. And SP is a business basically.

https://journal.tinkoff.ru/ask/ip-v-otpuske/ - bailee_Stant commented on June 5th 19 at 21:33
You yourself Director your IP themselves decide to leave and sick leave. THAT is no way.
On the other hand - would take the project and do not want - do not take. - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:36
, is 99% = piecework.
piecework = no vacation, sick, etc. - Derek_Bahringer commented on June 5th 19 at 21:39
No problems at all. Work and worked before that on remote as a staff member. Documents must be sent by registered mail, all sorts of statements have been signed by digital signature. - Elisabeth.Stamm commented on June 5th 19 at 21:42
This is a typical cognitive error survivors.

Companies that provide staff members with full udalenku very little. We do not say that they are not really. - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:45
apparently I am lucky that 3 out of 3 so got. Don't know a lot or not a lot, but really not all. 2 friends on the SP worked. In one case, the Studio went bankrupt, and it seems like left should be about 200k. Don't know what it eventually ran out. - Elisabeth.Stamm commented on June 5th 19 at 21:48
3 of 3 in Moscow, at the position of the level Senor? - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:51
Yes - Elisabeth.Stamm commented on June 5th 19 at 21:54
Well the world is a little more than Moscow =)
And Moscow because of its features (the impressive size of the tube, the increased demand for quality professionals and generally vperd entire planet), it is clear that there is much more common and relate to it easier. - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:57
If you want to imagine the hospital as in the formal employment and you are invited to work through the UI then you can take OOO and assign an employee to this company to deduct yourself the RFP and other taxes.
Then the hospital will receive from the state Fund of social insurance. It is a good defense if something happens and you will be taken to the hospital for six months. But it is expensive. With PI you have 6% tax and with OOO and white wages is approximately 40% of taxes. - maybell.Shiel commented on June 5th 19 at 22:00
But if you work as an entrepreneur will decide that tax your employer which that employer is just evading taxes. And your contract has the characteristics of a contract of employment. Then Donatist taxes and a fine and you and him. So working as an entrepreneur, you have the risk of a fine from the tax for the tax evasion.

And it is necessary to consider that in itself the tax might not soon this scheme will notice. But if someone sends a complaint to your employer. And he has such IP-dozen employees then you can get. - maybell.Shiel commented on June 5th 19 at 22:03
, it's understandable) But since I decided to work remotely, it makes sense to choose the best deals without being tied to the city. I Rostov, by the way, don't know any of the it company where salary 100% white. Many good professionals are working in the office, just because they necessarily have to "go to work", even if it's literally the building next door. If not for this trait of people on remote competition would be much higher. - Elisabeth.Stamm commented on June 5th 19 at 22:06
, company paid vacation and sick leave Epsicom very much. I am not yet one did not work where did not pay. Called such, but they went to the forest. Everywhere else is agreed in addition to the payment of taxes to offset the content of the current account. - Lenny.Botsfo commented on June 5th 19 at 22:09
You mean outsourcing, where Ipshniki - 90% of employees?
Or it is a grocery company that offer udalenku Epsicom? - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 22:12
I worked on IP office, outsource, startup the launcher, and in a product company. Also, a lot of proposals were considered and at the grocery, and outsourcing. Of course, in adore the bulk of the companies vacation and sick pay are not, but there are many exceptions. In the grocery with it much better. Anyway, for myself I realized that working in a product company better. - Lenny.Botsfo commented on June 5th 19 at 22:15
June 5th 19 at 21:29
So I want to know - it is common practice for remote work?
Absolutely common and normal practice for 2018.
Will do IP — do through the service or Modelo Elba, where the robot will prepare all documents for IE and send all the tax. And then the same robot will keep track of taxes, notifying you about every sneeze, will automatically prepare all payments, reports, and to send it all in tax in al. form. All you have to do is plug in a client Bank to their services (and therefore immediately see not only rates of banks on the account management UI, but who has native integration with the Elbe or Modelo) or to do the import Bank statements-the services knew about the movement of money in the accounts.
It's still early in Elba free 1 year for new IP, as it is now-do not know.
No Elba and Modelo nafig not needed, if you do not have a common system of taxation.

For it with one worker (the owner of the IP) - accounting is very simple, if not primitive.
On the simplified system of taxation. Or even on the patent.

Taxes need to bother about exactly 1 times in a year - and it's simple.

I do not understand for what to pay the Elbe or Moemedel.

NOT FOR THAT. - manue commented on June 5th 19 at 21:32
just to not do yourself. - bailee_Stant commented on June 5th 19 at 21:35
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for you to score the numbers they still are not - they don't know them.
it is the clogging of the primary data is the most time consuming part. - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:38
so the primary machine is lifted via the client-Bank or import statements once a quarter. - Derek_Bahringer commented on June 5th 19 at 21:41
for the money he wants Elba - even in Moscow time you can hire outsourcing-accountant for the company.
Maintenance SP in the region is ~5 thousand a year. - Elisabeth.Stamm commented on June 5th 19 at 21:44
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No Elba and Modelo nafig not needed, if you do not have a common system of taxation.
You own for others not to judge what they need, and what is not. My time is worth a lot more than 4,000 rubles a year for Elba. And free time even more.

Taxes need to bother about exactly 1 time a year and everything is just
For taxes, if you have the simplified tax system 6%, right bother once a quarter. So the tax is reduced by the amount of contributions.

In the same book of income and expenditure in Elba is printed in a single click.
All letters come from the tax in LK, while you are alerted by SMS and you don't miss anything. - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:47
on USN 6% the sum of contributions for the year is fixed, is divided by 4 and paid at the end of the quarter in the form of changing the date :) - Elisabeth.Stamm commented on June 5th 19 at 21:50
I did not write to what I consider the payment a difficult task, and the fact that I believe that the statement "taxes need to bother about exactly 1 time a year and everything is just" may be misleading not knowing the person. - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:53
Yes it's easy when you already know. When you're a beginner - easier to give ~500 rubles per month to a head did not hurt at all. Especially if your working hour is more expensive.

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for the money he wants Elba - even in Moscow time you can hire outsourcing-accountant for the company.
And you can link to this attraction of unprecedented generosity? - Elisabeth.Stamm commented on June 5th 19 at 21:56
, avito / hh.
5-7k per month average price in the city for the conduct of the LLC on the simplified tax system with some reasonable number of employees and a small number of orders. - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:59
Yes, something I missed about "cheaper" - in my head spun prices on the Elbe ~10+ per month.
sorry - maybell.Shiel commented on June 5th 19 at 22:02
yeah. In Elba/my business ~the same amount -- for a year. - maybell.Shiel commented on June 5th 19 at 22:05
June 5th 19 at 21:31
Changed 3 remote, as was the design and the white salary.
If you are going to take shape as entrepreneurs, don't forget to consider taxes, and the fact that contractors do not pay sick and holiday pay, so need to ask more than in the case of the employee's salary.
While 100 rubles, paid SP for 100 rubles cheaper wages somewhere at 12...50% directly, plus more in the little things.
That is accordingly this is the order of the numbers "how much more to ask" - manue commented on June 5th 19 at 21:34
If you remember about holiday pay and contributions to the pension Fund, 50% closer. - bailee_Stant commented on June 5th 19 at 21:37
June 5th 19 at 21:33
I'm using UI work, very convenient. Just periodically contracts concluded and finished. Now many companies are switching to this type of relationship
So companies are more profitable: instead of 43% tax on amounts transferred to employee (13 - pit, 22 - OPS, 5,1 - OMS, 2,9 - OSS), in the case of IP they have to pay only 18% (VAT, because entrepreneurs on the simplified taxation). Well, 6% SP then he will pay.
This is one way to reduce the tax burden for highly paid employees (TOP management, for instance) which make UI and work under the contract. - manue commented on June 5th 19 at 21:36
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Yes, instead of the employment contract turns the contract.

plus what you listed:

1) Sick and holiday pay - at their own expense. And it will be quite a law.

2) you Can require money for poorly executed contract back. The salary is (if there was a contract of employment) - it is impossible to return. - bailee_Stant commented on June 5th 19 at 21:39
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1. in most normal companies you get and vacation pay, and sick leave, and all the other buns.
2. In the acts of the executed works-good point, that works are executed in full, in good quality and that the parties claims against each other does not have. The agreement also prescribe the procedure of delivery and acceptance of the deliverables. In this case, you have no one will be able to demand.

Well, the taxes compensate. I all the company also agreed to compensate content current account. - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:42
June 5th 19 at 21:35
Yes, it is absolutely normal situation. I worked for 5 years as sole traders at other firms (even in zabugore).
TK admits udalenku, but sooooo rare (and it is clear: taxes are a bunch).
TK admits udalenku, but sooooo rare (and it is clear: taxes are a bunch).


Not true.
Taxes no more than full-time employment. - manue commented on June 5th 19 at 21:38
I think he meant "compared to udalenija at FE" - bailee_Stant commented on June 5th 19 at 21:41
have in mind that remotely for TC that offline LC - high taxes, much more than on the SP. - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:44
much is how much? which taxes are you referring to?
IMHO the difference is so funny and well, if 10% reaches. - Derek_Bahringer commented on June 5th 19 at 21:47
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well, if 10% reaches.
By what technique thought? 43.2 per cent of taxes and contributions for the TC, against payment 6% of STS.
When calculated on an abstract vacuum company with 15 developers with an average salary of 120 000 rubles, will get some 669 600 rubles per month, or 8 035 200 rubles per year tax savings with only 15 people. But there are also companies that do not compensate for holiday pay, they still add to 1 800 000 roubles a year.
IMHO there is a difference funny
As you can see not very. - Elisabeth.Stamm commented on June 5th 19 at 21:50
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By what technique thought? 43,2% of taxes and contributions for the TC against payment 6% USN

Why only 6%. Where for example in a Pension Fund?
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Reduction of social tax for IT companies with 30... - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:53
, pension and insurance contributions are deducted from the tax if you did not know. I didn't know about benefits for IT, but they will be very, very far away from "well, if 10% reaches."
27% vs 6%
In the same scenario in 15 developers with a salary at $ 120,000 it is a 486, 000 per month or 5 832 000 per year.
The amount is not small with 15 people. - Elisabeth.Stamm commented on June 5th 19 at 21:56
June 5th 19 at 21:37
I want to fulfill his cherished dream - to get away from the office on udalenku, especially because it's the only way for it workers from the provinces to rise above 30-40K.


There are two facts about.

Because:

1) Still need to find a good work on udalenke. Competition is higher, because people can work from anywhere in the world.

2) In a remote province skilled it person it can afford to raise 100-150 thousand RUB it does not need to be particularly lucky. More - Yes, it is luck and special skills to hang noodles on the ears.

But the three companies that responded to my responses, was denied official employment. One asked me to arrange a UI for official relations.


But as to whether it was remote constant work, not freelancing in separate orders?


So I want to know - it is common practice to work remotely, or I just came across such companies?


Via FE - quite a normal and common.
But as to whether it was remote constant work, not freelancing in separate orders?

Yes, it was udalenke - manue commented on June 5th 19 at 21:40
In a remote province skilled it person it can afford to raise 100-150 thousand RUB it does not need to be particularly lucky.

I understand you worked in a remote province, and raised 100-150? Or "Rabinovich sang"? And what, in your understanding, a province? - bailee_Stant commented on June 5th 19 at 21:43
, Siberia. A city with a population of just less than 150 thousand inhabitants.
Why is "worked", why in the past?
I live and work here.

Yes, less than hundred per month - if it is very lazy this month and twiddle 3/4 time.
If you work up a sweat, I think and for 200 you can go.
I sometimes peak up to 180. But I can not say that bother.
Customers local, not is.
Amounts are after taxes.

Important point:
More than 15 years of experience. Freelancer.
Immodestly speaking, I am very qualified specialist and admin (the admin rarely lately, tired) and a programmer, it's basic earnings (well I know about a dozen programming languages; major languages to work on account of pieces 4, I believe). - Jeff28 commented on June 5th 19 at 21:46
June 5th 19 at 21:39
All depends on the situation, is she is different.
If you consider your situation is more the exception.
Usually formal employment when distance is done when working remotely, the employee may, if necessary, to regularly come into the office.
Ie work remotely, but if you have some issues to work out requiring the personal participation - came to the office.
Most of all remote workers on the TC to work so he worked in the office, talked to the guide and started to work from home, occasionally going to the office to drink coffee and to discuss current problems.
If the employee lives far away and appear in the office actually can not, this creates a lot of problems for the employer and not every employer is willing to solve these problems. Who needs the extra problems?

Therefore, such workers prefer not to conclude an employment contract, but simply a contract for the provision of services or performance of work - the employee should be an entrepreneur, himself to pay the taxes, and to solve all the problems associated with the work.
June 5th 19 at 21:41
As I understand it, to get officially in a state remotely is extremely unlikely?
June 5th 19 at 21:43
I'll put my 5 cents:
1. If you work through the SP, it is at rates above 10 percent.
2. Work through the work book is more interesting than generally not decorated.
3. Between labor and entrepreneurs would choose SP if a lot of customers and money. If the customer is single, then labor.
Overall, all three options are the norm, as you say Malysheva. And all three have pros and cons.
June 5th 19 at 21:45
Good day! I would like to add (a teaspoon of tar:) that work on udalenke is to be productive and as self-organising there are. I have to sit and get money. We must ALWAYS show the result, and usually good. From my experience, is is often:
- work weekends and holidays
- work in the evening (and often into the night) time
- on vacation keeps you in touch and answer at least a couple times a day to questions, and then go out and do something, because except you no one knows
- during the illness you are working, sick leave will not be paid
tax/PFR/FSS loses your papers and asks another to pass utochneny/statement/statement for Bank well, or whatever else they come up with.
So pronounce with the employer such moments immediately.
But with all this, at the office, I personally will not return :)
true if a small team of others have all agreed in advance - manue commented on June 5th 19 at 21:48
June 5th 19 at 21:47
I'm not experienced but IMHO you need to be a brother/kinsman of the employer, to enable you to trust - not being able to control whether you work or not, to pay you a salary :)
Generally there is no difference. You can be anywhere. KPIs need to enter, and then do not care, and how many people come to work, and how much time it really works. - manue commented on June 5th 19 at 21:50
June 5th 19 at 21:49
Except for the UI, I never normally get to work remotely, mostly on mythical contract. It seems that FE and more practical, because you can not work for the same company.

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