The UNIVERSITY after the 11th?

In short: I'm 17, soon the exam, but I from the end of the 18-year sitting, js taught, studied and node js, I wrote a simple REST/GraphQL apiski for pet projects and began to wonder where next? Needless to sit at home and do self-development? Or to give preference to University? I do not appreciate themselves, as the skill of the coder, because of little experience, continue to learn, read articles on Habre, the medium. IT is interesting to me, but was tormented by the question of where to go...
March 19th 20 at 08:28
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March 19th 20 at 08:30
Solution
Needless to sit at home and do self-development?
no. In any case

Or to give preference to University?
you are able to choose a University, faculty, program, realize that every hour of your study at the University you will be given
Don't know how, don't know why you University gaining this knowledge at work

Looking for a job, work, get an understanding of where you have gaps and how they can be filled
For a point of learning enough to find a sane teacher and go to him with questions directly

TLDR:
The UNIVERSITY needed to
- obtain the required knowledge if there is no other way
(the teacher does not want you in person to teach the courses - no, etc etc)
- science, if straight already scratched all if you do not promote science
(it is worth to note that often it turns out that snala something big sawed in Google, and then from his PhD work at it. Or as an option is a huge mathematical work, and then she in a few lines is implemented in software and accelerates it by orders of magnitude )

The UNIVERSITY is not required for:
- General education - it all turns out in school or self-education
because neighbor Bob received and you haven't yet
- getting a job
- the right to work abroad - the shortage has already forced the country to abolish the practice
Thank you for your clear answer. - jenifer_Abernathy commented on March 19th 20 at 08:33
@jenifer_Abernathy, the Only reason for going to College that makes any sense - getting a deferment from the army
Is to register their plans for 3-5 years with the understanding that and when that should happen - leopoldo commented on March 19th 20 at 08:36
@leopoldo, with this case, the problem is solved. - jenifer_Abernathy commented on March 19th 20 at 08:39
@wulfdog,
to make these fun
goto MBA
That's where the real fun starts - leopoldo commented on March 19th 20 at 08:42
@wulfdog, And how many people were after mit? And shtatovskih at all? - leopoldo commented on March 19th 20 at 08:45
@leopoldo:how to think, in high school teaching, what is TL;DR? - Janet commented on March 19th 20 at 08:48
@Janet, tl;dr, I think now everywhere apart from work :D - jenifer_Abernathy commented on March 19th 20 at 08:51
March 19th 20 at 08:32
Oh, those "of the UNIVERSITY or experience in IT". Those who have graduated from College, will convincingly prove that this is the only way to sneia calculus, on calculus, on TPR and the PLO. Those who dropped out will be to prove that all the learned themselves and earn 150 000 rubles in freelancing.

Come learn, without mathematics will only websites to rivet for offices small hands.
Come learn, math will be only a small rivet for offices small hands.
- leopoldo commented on March 19th 20 at 08:35
I do not agree. I don't use the knowledge from University. - Therese.Daniel30 commented on March 19th 20 at 08:38
@leopoldo, without knowledge of vector math is ordered the way in systems associated with maps and geolocation;
without knowledge of TPR and functions will not be allowed to the databases on the cannon;
without a knowledge of calculus do not Shine higher than "the boy that a website can do for 2000, there is even buttons are shimmer!". I'm not talking about the PLO.

Without brain training mathematics and analysis, the programmer will not work. - Miguel.Ebert commented on March 19th 20 at 08:41
@Miguel.Ebert, doesn't sound very, I don't think that all areas of such requirements. Well, many people do math presented as a source of development logic. Huh, and all the great Gentlemen of mathematics and University graduates? - jenifer_Abernathy commented on March 19th 20 at 08:44
@Miguel.Ebert,
without knowledge of vector math is ordered the way in systems associated with maps and geolocation;
vector has ceased to teach in the school?
What you specifically needed to change in Liebe, which you use for maps?

without knowledge of TPR and functions will not be allowed to the databases on the cannon;
the study article in the wiki on NF is less than 5 years

without a knowledge of calculus do not Shine above,
what Mat you used on Friday when writing the code? Specifically

I'm not talking about the PLO.
OOP is normally the institution does not give

Without brain training mathematics and analysis, the programmer will not work.
why for training College? - leopoldo commented on March 19th 20 at 08:47
@jenifer_Abernathy, Yes, everyone wants to be bill Gates, who also dropped out, but look how cool. Only now have obtained some nameless Vasani dropout freelance, excuse me for being blunt, no offense to anyone. Just the comparison is very flawed.

Programming is too broad, and then polarites couple of years in the "General" and will switch to a "private", to the highly specialized field where it will develop. The same cards, for example. There really is no math in any way. In addition to calculus in high school are taught very, very much that is useful. The same TPR (methods for finding the extremum of the function) will be very helpful when writing a site search.

I understand, doesn't want to study and jobs on freelance sites are full of ads like "$ 1,500 per business card", and beckon, beckon, but freelance it as bitcoin. Everyone says cut the loot, but in fact I am ashamed to admit that wasting time. - Miguel.Ebert commented on March 19th 20 at 08:50
@Miguel.Ebert, I'm not particularly attracted to freelancing. And about the searching I did not understand a bit. - jenifer_Abernathy commented on March 19th 20 at 08:53
@leopoldo,
vector has ceased to teach in the school?

Seriously? Do you think school knowledge in the vectors enough?

the study article in the wiki on NF is less than 5 years

Do not read further, sorry. Learning TPR according to Wikipedia - well, just no words.
Good luck to you :) - Miguel.Ebert commented on March 19th 20 at 08:56
@Miguel.Ebert, you See, you missed the most important questions about the use of the knowledge that you supposedly got in high school

But in 1-2 years without the active use of the knowledge they are rotten, not to mention the fact that some of them obsolete

I also understand the desire to somehow justify the loss of time - leopoldo commented on March 19th 20 at 08:59
@leopoldo, well, you can consider yourself a winner in this online battle, if you want :) Because I just spend time to read the excuses and samotechny don't want to. - Miguel.Ebert commented on March 19th 20 at 09:02
She asked the Council received the debate. It's funny :D - jenifer_Abernathy commented on March 19th 20 at 09:05
@jenifer_Abernathy, well, the topic is something acute about what I said.
Learn, and you will then how to get a SIM, spend time and prove on the Internet that IN is not necessary :) - Miguel.Ebert commented on March 19th 20 at 09:08
@Miguel.Ebert, the accent simeks

I had covered the 6 years
All items now use 1
Theoretically useful throughout the course was 4-6

In your response, I elaborated on when and what kind of education is required

And here you can't even remember what Friday used from Matan
xD - leopoldo commented on March 19th 20 at 09:11
@Miguel.Ebert,
Without brain training mathematics and analysis, the programmer will not work.


A brain training programming, will succeed? - Camylle_Rutherford commented on March 19th 20 at 09:14
@Camylle_Rutherford, well, roughly to the same extent as to train the muscles of the thighs, clenching and unclenching his toes. - Miguel.Ebert commented on March 19th 20 at 09:17
@wulfdog, for this reason I noted the other answer is correct. I do not think that his answer is correct. Riley, any student admitted to super-UNIVERSITY then stupidly astrofsica the output becomes - this option is also not exclude it, the question was not "WHAT I WANT to STUDY AT the UNIVERSITY AND THEN USE" or "HOW WILL I ....". - jenifer_Abernathy commented on March 19th 20 at 09:20
March 19th 20 at 08:34
You sit at home, not worth it.
The main advantages to go to UNIVERSITY to study right after school, in descending order:
1) then time may not be;
2) the development of horizons and rewarding experience;
3) professional skills (3 because the degree of quality will depend on the faculty);
4) meet

Alternatively - you can just go to an office job, freelancing and any of the above to lose something else to purchase (more practically meaningful experiences, money).
As General advice, if you have time and mum and dad until the fed - go learn.
March 19th 20 at 08:36
Needless to sit at home and do self-development?

Yes, but not necessarily

Or to give preference to University?

...in parallel. The fact that one does not exclude the other.

In my opinion the University is necessary because:
1) Fundamental knowledge (which will constitute the basis for further self-improvement)
2) internship opportunities
3) the Opportunity to study on exchange in other countries
4) the Possibility of moving to study in other countries, for example, after the first year or to graduate
5) Meet
6) And Yes, theoretical knowledge and practical skills development
7) Diploma, which is useful at least in order to go to work in another country

But:
1) This should be the normal University in MSK or SPb.
2) All that I have listed can be obtained without University education, but you must have great motivation and understanding of what is really needed. Paragraph (7) also depend on the country, requirements are different everywhere, but typically 5+ years of experience can replace a degree.
University is significantly easier if you really learn to practice independently and not to forget about the internship.

It is important to remember that a University education guarantees nothing, as well as self-learning. There are many examples of successes and failures in both cases. It all depends mainly on human and coincidence: it is possible with the degree of candidate of Sciences rivet landings, and it is possible and without education to lead the R&D Department in companies such as Google.
Unfortunately, the situation is similar to the first, I watched more often than close to the second... But it depends on many factors. In my opinion, the main reason for this: lack of understanding of what one is doing. This is one of the reasons that in Russia a record number of people with degrees in law/Economics, etc, are working, say, at the reception.
5+ years of experience can replace a diploma


But the diploma will not replace a 5+ years of experience. Paradox. - Miguel.Ebert commented on March 19th 20 at 08:39
But the diploma will not replace a 5+ years of experience. Paradox.

@Miguel.Ebert, In fact, there are too many variables to make such statements. There is no paradox.
My initial statement is that for a work visa/permit in some countries, one of the formal requirements is the presence of the diploma of higher education or n years proven experience in the specialty. - Janet commented on March 19th 20 at 08:42
@Janet, Oh divine abroad :)
Tell me, you've seen a lot of people "with degrees" in law in receptions? - Miguel.Ebert commented on March 19th 20 at 08:45
@Miguel.Ebert, In Russia abound. - Janet commented on March 19th 20 at 08:48
@Janet, well, Yes :)
The funny thing is that here such here parabolicity in divine Free countries jostle taxi drivers or cleaners. But you continue to Believe that there is certainly something you will succeed. - Miguel.Ebert commented on March 19th 20 at 08:51
@Miguel.Ebert, I too understand your skepticism and trying to be ironic, because I believe that in the context of this question we are talking about moving IT-specialists, particularly programmers. I do not know of any case that the programmer went to work in the specialty. I admit the possibility, that these cases should be extremely rare. Well, considering that, in most developed countries, a programmer-a member of the middle class that can afford a decent life.

I don't want to say that abroad everything is fine and that everything is bad in Russia. However, the obvious advantages in moving to any developed country, and a lot of them. I will not mention, it's pretty long, but they're all obvious.

I also chose to leave Russia, I don't regret. Well, don't work as a taxi driver or a janitor. - Janet commented on March 19th 20 at 08:54

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