Whether personal data first name and the first letter of the last name?

For Example: Ivan K.
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March 23rd 20 at 19:08
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March 23rd 20 at 19:10
Solution
No, because these data cannot be used to identify a specific person.
Allow a link to the law where it is stated "allows you to uniquely identify a person."
Earlier work knows that any information relating to any person is personal(including the name). It was around 2010. When has changed? And in what FZ says. - Skyla_Gorczany commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:13
@Skyla_Gorczany, You write: "information relating to any person". Ie there should be a specific person who corresponds to the phrase "Ivan K.". You will not be able to relate this phrase to a specific person. "Ivanov" - a lot. What is "K." we Can only speculate. - Magdalen commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:16
March 23rd 20 at 19:12
Solution
No.
March 23rd 20 at 19:14
Solution
No. if not allow to uniquely identify a person.

Information itself "Ivan K." do not uniquely identify.
However, if you show Ivan K. living to the address of Komsomolskaya St. 2-15 in the city of Ulyanovsk, then it will be personal information.
Allow a link to the law where it is stated "allows you to uniquely identify a person."
Earlier work knows that any information relating to any person is personal(including the name). It was around 2010. When has changed? And in what FZ says. - Skyla_Gorczany commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:17
@Skyla_Gorczany, the Federal law of 27.07.2006 N 152-FZ (as amended on 31.12.2017) "On personal data" article 3.1
personal data - any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (personal data subject);
- chandler commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:20
@chandler, I know this article, the question is how it should be data uniquely identifies a person?
When I was in the pension Fund worked(worked in information security, it was until 2010) have approved manual z attention was drawn - that any data it any. Name, car model, house number - all personal information. And that disclosure is any mention of actually received data from databases as well as employees or owners of personal data used for business purposes and no matter the Name, house number or last 4 digits of phone.

On the other hand I not long ago had applied to the Prosecutor's office(which was forwarded to Roskomnadzor) regarding the violation of the law on advertising(called on the phone suggested products), and violations of the law on personal data.
So Roscomnadzor I also said that there should be data uniquely identifying me. Why Roskomnadzor does not consider the room that the phone number I was definitely identificeret, and why all decided that we need to uniquely identify me is not yet explained. And with regards to phone numbers request operator the number I can be uniquely identified.

So many times have you heard already about this unambiguous identification and it is not clear whether this change in the law or simply the duck walks in Russia. - Skyla_Gorczany commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:23
@Skyla_Gorczany,
Name, car model, house number - all personal information

Are you serious?
Ignatius, Toyota Premio, 46дом is personal data???
If I'm on the computer is stored catalog of cars from the manufacturer - it's your work, all personal data???
The Handbook 2GIS so it turns out all personal data store. There are so many addresses of the houses.

the question is how it should be data uniquely identifies a person?
Read carefully - "personal data - any information related to directly or indirectly identified or identifiable natural person"
What is not clear?

Why Roskomnadzor does not consider the room that the phone number I was definitely identificeret
Because the phone number you do not identificeret. The room is just a room.
Well, I just thought of the room 89549242024 - who, exactly, he just identificeret? How he can someone identify? It's just numbers. - chandler commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:26
@chandler, I understand Your clarification. Turns out one person from the Cabinet, comes another, asked what number that person - the answer to 46 is a disclosure of personal data.

Then the question is: is calling me a Manager of some company, says Eugene S. Hello and so on(knows my number my name and surname, I never gave the company permission to process my pers data), for this reason what do you think? I wrote to You about the example of roskomnadzora, who told me that everything is fine, there is no violation. - Skyla_Gorczany commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:29
@Skyla_Gorczany, Well, see for itself a house number or phone number you can't identify and, accordingly, are not personal data.
But let's say the phone number and name - this is quite a personal information.

says Eugene S. Hello and so on(knows my number my name and patronymic
Yes, this is personal data.

I did not give the company permission to process my pers data
And that someone had once stopped? It is difficult to punish, punishment is not especially significant compared to the obtained benefits. So the majority just do not care.

about the example with roskomnadzora, who told me that everything is fine, there is no violation.
The usual runaround. You are trying to throw extra work, and they do not need it, so they quite naturally try to distance themselves from unnecessary problems. - chandler commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:32
>>And that someone had once stopped? It is difficult to punish, punishment is not especially significant compared to the obtained benefits. So the majority just do not care.
For this reason 2 things: 1)the question You asked from a legal point of view, in fact, I don't care care if their is no I'm only in response to their action, make another turn(which they will derive exclusively their business).
2) "the punishment is not especially significant compared to the resulting benefit" for physical persons, for legal persons, 50 thousand and 100 thousand punishment(violation of the law on Persian data and advertising law, respectively). Possible and criminal responsibility in cases of causing any significant damage.

>>The usual runaround. You are trying to throw extra work, and they do not need it, so they quite naturally try to distance themselves from unnecessary problems.
I think even that is not the case, there is some kind of transparent instruction - not to fine, because working similarly close to the state companies such as Rostelecom, which again may not be noted in the system that I can't call with offers.

With regards to the phone number+the name is personal data, I agree with You. Just consider that Roskomnadzor made not a legal decision. - Skyla_Gorczany commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:35
@Skyla_Gorczany,
You asked from a legal point of view,
From a legal point of view, I answered you above and gave a link to the law.

And all these questions in the style of "why so-and-so does" this is not a legal subject, and just life.
The likelihood that the company will be fined low, because it is difficult to prove. If will fine - well 50-100 thousand it is not so much money to be able to pay attention.
It is as natural persons shtaf for speeding - unpleasant, but no more.

I think even that is not the case, there is some kind of transparent policy
Why invent conspiracy theories out of the blue? If they are to deal with each such case they simply get too busy, and the work they have been through enough.
It's like come to the police station and submit a statement about the theft of a phone application of course will accept, but no one will look, get off the standard reply.

type of Rostelecom, which again may not be noted in the system that I can't call with offers.
Well Rostelecom as a General rule calling only clients and customers in the agreement signed the consent for treatment of PD. - chandler commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:38
>>From a legal point of view, I answered you above and gave a link to the law.
Just I will explain in this response that my previous comment was not any criticism - only making explanations on the situation, in this case he caused any emotions(not saying, just in case insured) - sorry this was not supposed to.

>>And all these questions in the style of "why so-and-so does" this is not a legal subject, and just life.
Such a question I did not ask. I pointed out that I only work with the actual incident situations and take action in response to circumstances. Position the other hand for me has no special meaning and the causes of their actions.

>>The likelihood that the company will be fined low, because it is difficult to prove.
The idea there is no difficulty if you know the procedure and that the Prosecutor's office of appeals is allowed to send an email to so from the comfort of home(the Prosecutor's office is obliged to forward to the appropriate authority). With regards to the evidence the installation of software to record conversations for Android phone is not something supernatural, the detail in the personal Cabinet mobilnogo operator also is not difficult to obtain.

>>If they will deal with each such case they simply get too busy, and the work they have been through enough.
I do not agree with You, this is only the beginning so, as soon as the mass cases with fines, followed by a decrease in the number of disregard of the law.

>>It's like come to the police station and submit a statement about the theft of a phone application of course will accept, but no one will look, get off the standard reply.
Not quite. With regards to replies, it is a common practice and this is including on my channel https://vk.com/furmanov (not advertising, just showing what aware of the situation). So turning to the police I already presuppose that their work will have to check and foibles to write to the Prosecutor that issued the act(protest/resolution/view) about elimination of infringements of the legislation.
With regards to the cases with the phone, there is a partially or fully must participate the Department, at least to validate the use IMEY phone new sim cards(it is clear that I try not to do in order to relieve the Department).

>>Well, Rostelecom as a General rule calling only clients and customers in the agreement signed the consent for treatment of PD
>> "and customers in the agreement signed the consent on processing of their PD" is not a law about advertising, so there is still 38-FZ.
As regards this Treaty, I personally after its conclusion immediately filed a written statement in Rostelecom, which indicated that the use of personal information for advertising purposes prohibit the company(current law allows such).
About Rostelecom more on the topic, recently there was a new thing, supposedly they are calling if your phone is listed in the contacts(not to be confused with the phone as a login) and if it is out they call will not be(but I'm after the call). They warn that with the exception of numbers there sms will be coming on the need to pay for Internet. - Skyla_Gorczany commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:41

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