How to calculate the contribution to the project with shared ownership?

For example, an investor gives 100 thousand rubles. Then two people work together 3 month (share), then they are joined by another (a fraction), and they have three of them working for another 3 months. Then the first loses faith in the project and leaves, the remaining two continue to operate for another three months and finally releases the project.
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All people have different value on the labour market. That is, their time is not equal.
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After the departure of the first person (the programmer), the team decided to give up half of his work, because it is easier to rewrite part of the code from scratch to finish all of his work.
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The first month generally idle, because they chose the wrong architecture, had to send all the work done in the basket. But provided valuable experience. In a sense, this is also a contribution, although a personal experience.
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The idea belongs to the first. But without the emotional support from the second, the first would not be able to think through and execute.

The project generates income every month (different). Of the remaining people, one very lazy and just wants to get the money. The other continues to work to develop the project, promotes. And after 3 months joined another man, also in proportion, but it works on the floor of force in the evenings (after regular work elsewhere).
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Use 1 hour different people have different. Sometimes even a negative benefit, when a solution leads to a decrease in profit next month.

How in this hell not to go crazy and allocate the money as fair, make everybody happy? Including everyone who wanted a share of the project and was concerned with: the money or your time - Deposit. In the example is 5 people: the investor plus 4 co-author.

How better to issue in the form of a contract?

The point is to share considered depending on the contribution. Because if the share is considered to be in the beginning and does not change, then there is no incentive to make the effort to try to do better, to work in good faith, to take the initiative in solving and preventing problems and bugs.
March 23rd 20 at 19:27
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March 23rd 20 at 19:29
Solution
Share to submit for certain stages -- translations share:
  • launch the conversion shares,
  • attracting new Finance
  • care of dolevik -- his share to spread on all

Current deposits (no equity) to take as an exchange of work for money (not dividends, and it costs). Accordingly how much someone spends time, effort and what is the effectiveness of hours-all reflected in the salary.

Just a fraction -- a very slippery point and to weave in all aspects is impossible, burst logic almost immediately

If that is possible at the start to allocate a draw pull of the starting fraction, which will be spent on "consideration shares" in the process. You can come up with rules for its distribution and limits of time -- well, for example in a year all you need to despradelle.
This item is flexible the fact that at the entrance at all and there is a proportion and not a big campaign and the life of the project can be janakinath those who make a great contribution.

As a whole-not get justice, but it is possible to achieve transparent rules
With the salary all is clear and simple. She stupidly subtracted from the budget or later compared to the distribution of shares among owners.

But the share count is more complicated. Everyone has made some contribution. And in fairness the agreement should be such that the share was proportional to its contribution. But it's so complicated that I can't imagine how all this can be taken into account. - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:32
@odessa63, in the course of work -- it is very difficult,
scroll to 50 percent at all at the start of a piece, contracts and negotiations.
The remaining 50 will begin to be deducted for those who will work more than N time over such a period.
Enter KPI, well, roughly speaking there have to be certain criteria to enter to receive 0.1 cent per month or getting 5% at the end of the year works here as anyone. - percy_Will commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:35
March 23rd 20 at 19:31
Solution
How in this hell not to go crazy and allocate the money as fair, make everybody happy?
No way. Money is impossible to distribute fairly, but also that all were satisfied. It is impossible in principle, in any situation.

About design - you need to know what kind of organization, form of ownership.
But in General everything is simple-
X - the total capital of the organization.
the investor gives 100 thousand rubles
his percentage is X/100.
Then two people work together 3 month (proportion)
The share of each of them in percent is equal to X/(salary*3).
joins another (a fraction), and they have three of them working for another 3 months
Same - X/(salary*hours)
Then the first loses faith in the project gets
His right. The share is followed, unless the agreement specified otherwise.
All people have different value on the labour market. That is, their time is not equal.
Different, but known, so that not a problem.
After the departure of the first person (the programmer), the team decided to give up half of his work, because it is easier to rewrite part of the code from scratch to finish all of his work.
It has no effect. The work that you have already paid.
The first month generally idle, because they chose the wrong architecture, had to send all the work done in the basket. But provided valuable experience. In a sense, this is also a contribution, although a personal experience.
People worked, got paid.

The project generates income every month (different). Of the remaining people, one very lazy and just wants to get the money. The other continues to work to develop the project, promotes. And after 3 months joined another man, also in proportion, but it works on the floor of force in the evenings (after regular work elsewhere).
Well, the man goes to share, then to not work and get.
So lazy receives its share of all.
The other gets their share and wages.
People worked, got paid.

The fact of the matter is that if the share is considered on the basis of the contribution, it is important not work, and utility work. With this salary it's simple: how many worked so much and earned. And the sponsors put in his pocket the profit share, which depends on the success and not fixed. So if one programmer was dragging the whole project up a sweat, and the second slowly picking small feature, the fair will not 50/50, but 90/10, although at the time both worked the same and even criminal with the same s/n. - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:34
The fact of the matter is that if the share is considered on the basis of the contribution, it is important not work, and the usefulness of the work.
No. In any case.
Important work - and was it useful or not, doesn't matter.

it's fair
True never will be!!! It is impossible in principle.
What more true - when the wolf ate the sheep, or when the wolf died of hunger?

Anyone who works gets a salary.
Anyone who invests - invests.
If you want to invest your work - your contribution this time multiplied by sabbatou cost.
And what will be the salary is as govoritsa with the employer.
Usefulness never matter. - Hellen_Barton commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:37
Then the meaning of all shares? After all, it should stimulate the development on the enthusiasm, when the share depends on contribution. Should encourage you to minimize time, spend less time on nonsense, etc. and if 10 people one did all the work, while others in the box watched, this one relies 100% share.

And if you only count the time, it would be better just to spend work time and unwillingly to do something sometimes, maybe get something. The important thing is that the more you sit, the higher the share. You can not even produce a result or to show the minimum result possible. Because of this, the share is not affected. Well, if you really rotten to be, then get out of the project as early as possible. - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:40
Then the meaning of all shares?
Share is used when the organization is unable to pay wages to the employee instead of payment of wages offers a share of the profits.
The company is primarily funding.
To stimulate the share in reality can only the management team - who really controls. Normal employee's share does not stimulate.

As for the usefulness of the work always meets the Director. He manages the company and determines what to do when and how. And where to spend money.
The investor has made 100 thousand - the Director has decided where to spend it.
Will it useful company depends on it, but not from the investor, and not from employees.
Similarly, with the labor Director has puzzled the programmer to write code, he wrote. And whether this code is useful - it already depends on the principal. He governs. - Hellen_Barton commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:43
March 23rd 20 at 19:33
Solution
if the share is considered to be in the beginning and does not change, then there is no incentive to make the effort to try to do better, to work in good faith, to take the initiative in solving and preventing problems and bugs.

But if the proportion is changed in the process, then only a fool would invest all of it in the beginning. 100 thousand in the beginning, when the risk is maximum and this money determines the project to be or not to be - far more valuable than, for example, 10 million, but then, when the project already has some momentum.

The proportion should be determined in advance, and then everyone works to the best of their opportunities to get a percentage of the profits, but if investors are not satisfied with how much they have to work for their share and how much other work the organization is just falling apart, sell the property and divide the money in the established proportions is normal.
Why not just "fool"?
Just have the incentive to work and try. But if this is not done, then it is logicalthat the share decreases.

Well, an example. Initially there were 2 people, each with 50% share. Further to the company (before development) passed over 100 people. Is it not wise to share each 1%? It was nice to have 50%, but the stimulus will not be as the owner of such shares, and the other who got less. But if everyone in the company from 100 people trying the same, then, again, it is logical that everyone will receive 1%.

About the risks a good point, I agree. But they can just be ignored. For example, at the start the chance of success of a venture project is about 5%, from which 100 thousand rubles, you can multiply 20, this will be conditional contribution. But if during postproduction. pour a million on marketing, the risk and the corresponding coefficient will be different. Similarly, with investing time and use - just multiply by a number, the inverse value of risk. Although the risk calculate is not so easy, but that's another story. - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:36
@odessa63, BTW, the motivation is money after a certain amount also does not work - Ashton.Emar commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:39
@Ashton.Emar, I had in mind when he talked about the fact that there is no incentive for the owner of a share of 50%. - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:42
@odessa63, and I said that motivation and money are not connected - Ashton.Emar commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:45
@Ashton.Emar,
motivation and money are not connected

Not the first time confronted with your forcefulness. If you about it have not told, what I'm saying.

About it you got excited. Motivation drops, Yes, but many millionaires continue to work instead of to rest the rest of your life. It's just that people with incomes slightly different job. That is by courier such person is not going to work. But, say, family like regular people, will help set the table, serve the guests or clean up the dishes (despite the presence of workers). But the real work is all sorts of ideas, projects, management, or simply a highly skilled a favorite the type of job the team leader, art Director, render programmer, etc.

Well, there is an opinion that even if a person has a lot of money, he still wants more money. I this view is not fully agree, but some people are just so organized (I don't know what percentage of people). - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:48
@odessa63,

Those who achieved self-reliance are not working for money
And Yes, a man quietly go to work as a courier, if he is like
As well as to volunteer without a SN at all

Money works as a motivation in some people
When you reach a certain income level money lose their motivational value as a whole

To tie the motivation to the money to you as the ovner of a business, means a time to understand that the employee you want to fire, maybe it's useless

Or do you have the basic equation SN is close to min pritochnogo a minimum, then increasing it 5% a year, you will have the opportunity to motivate money - Ashton.Emar commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:51
@Ashton.Emar,
If the level of SN is close to a min living wage, then there is an incentive not to work (at full strength), but look for a better paying job. :)

The topic of the question I propose to do the double motivation of money. First, zeal determines the success of the project as a whole, and as a result the profit share. Otherwise, sheesh. Secondly, the contribution is increasing, and therefore the conditional wages after release. Moreover, you don't know what, but hoped that most, and this is a bit of excitement.

Add to this purely human interest in sports to win (even if the person is on a normal RFP) and you'll get triple the motivation.

About that person like to do things, is responsible for what, I do not discuss. It's obvious. But volunteering to work in the profitable project for anyone, that's for sure. First, many people want to eat, at least. Secondly, just a shame when your labors and merits somebody else gets a real reward, and you do nothing. - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:54
@odessa63,

google: candle problem ted

Even people with the goal of FI ASAP - money is not the goal but a means

But you probably have to learn it your experience - Ashton.Emar commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:57
@Ashton.Emar, by the Way, the share in the project is not only a money profit, but also the ability to manage the project, make key decisions, and pleasure to make the project their own. - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 20:00
@odessa63,

Those you will have to learn the hard way
- management of the project, where you have the key voice
- motivation of money in %
- management of the project, where you can do nothing and manage without qualification

Good luck to you to withdraw from the project is not bankrupt and not gray - Ashton.Emar commented on March 23rd 20 at 20:03
@Ashton.Emar, and that any LLC or JSC. - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 20:06
@odessa63, no - Ashton.Emar commented on March 23rd 20 at 20:09
@odessa63, I read all your comments and came to the conclusion that you are confused about the proportions and how you act. You're trying to replace a regular salary installments. It is fundamentally not true. Just think about why for example the investor has invested his money and then just receive them, and the developer must continue to work hard to justify their initial investment? You need to separate those who were in the beginning and those who are working now. Of course it could be those who were in early and stayed. So those who were in early have a right to receive money from the profits in equal proportion to the contribution which they made at the start while doing nothing now. Others who want to get money now as if they had previously invested labour, can work as employees to get your percent contribution and salary for the current job. But with a salary you can already do so, make a salary, and mitivation for work to pay in the form of bonuses. And at the end I repeat that those who invested at the start have every right to do nothing and get your income. - Vivianne.Keebler commented on March 23rd 20 at 20:12
@Vivianne.Keebler, you're right. I came to the conclusion, you need a classic salary, depending on qualifications and hours per week. Award for motivation for success (for release, for example). A shares only shareholders and investors (first put something of value or at least an idea and the other just money). - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 20:15
March 23rd 20 at 19:35
shares, for example. who owns the stock, he receives his share of the profits. everything else - wages.
So the shares are distributed at the beginning.
And the share is considered at the end of the development, and then recalculated constantly.
How can the contract be required to transfer their shares on the basis of comparisons, but who did? - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:38
@odessa63,
So the shares are distributed at the beginning.
Do not have.
And the share is considered at the end of the development, and then recalculated constantly.
No. The proportion is considered when creating the organization, and is recalculated only during the reorganization. - Hellen_Barton commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:41
@Hellen_Barton, @odessa63, and only through the issue of new shares or redemption of existing - Jared_Gorcza commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:44
@odessa63, there is no "how much good did". there is only a fraction of the shares and wages. for example, the conditional owner of Google gets paid for the performance of his duties as Chairman of the Board of Directors and dividends as a shareholder. to invest labor will not work, invested money. but we can pay the salary shares. or not pay, if the person is unable to cope with their responsibilities. - Jared_Gorcza commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:47
To pay a stock is interesting. Just because stocks also have a price that varies or just a little. Even if we agree that each share attributed to fixed price to the end each had a share in the product development process, real wages in rubles, may be less than the minimum. Right? - odessa63 commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:50
@odessa63, yeah. exchange because it exists, the price of a stock is not constant)) but this is not a technical question) - Jared_Gorcza commented on March 23rd 20 at 19:53

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