Deteriorate if components PC from periodically forced off PC via power button?

Will damage components or something else?
April 4th 20 at 00:30
8 answers
April 4th 20 at 00:32
Solution
in addition to the above (on the pulse)
the basic inevitably of the aging components:
- electrolytic capacitors (perhaps a parable of the impulses that concerns them the most)
- mechanical HDD if any. despite the increase in technological quality, wear cannot be reversed, you can only stretch (upd start/stop - always stressful for hdd mechanics
- the buttons - power, reset, digging mice

however, to burn can a chip, much earlier than the mechanical elements will become worthless. for example by the fact that rejection

the specific answer to your question - more than just aging itself is the power button
and immediately the good news:
- aging it will be very long
- and yet, this is one of the most easily replaceable elements
Thank you,and I thought all Khan set.Most of the percent,mother and RAM were afraid, they are very expensive. - abigail.Corkery commented on April 4th 20 at 00:35
@abigail.Corkery, I was there in ovate didn't mention:
- there is wear of the memory cells of the SSD. but the start/stops him to Fanara (or falls under the parable of the pulse)

about the pulse during power on/off, I don't have enough knowledge. but in what limits it is just stress for all electronics companies. just me unknown these limits. as it turned out that the mechanical elements of knowledge has accumulated more.

if for example you have a computer often freezes, it is better to use reset. it by far passes all the stress-start/stop-electronics-and-hard

if you have a hard, and an old computer well a very long time off - maybe we need to look at setting off, suddenly he is set for hibernate? (will attempt to write all RAM to disk) if the RAM has changed, but the original was old, but still old OS (10 compressed the RAM when you hibernate, it's so awesome it speeds up) then the regular shutdown (actually hibernate) will look like torture

.. in General for good advice, need a lot of detail. do not rush to put on garantirovany fast and accurate response, there is noansi that an experienced admin will notice on autopilot, but the words won't even remember to ask ))

in General, for a technology class servers - start/stop is guaranteed to shorten the life faster than the promised time in hours (in a large number of hours)

you can make an indirect conclusion - should not be too frequent forced valueName (and for the OSes it is really bad)

better to deal with the options of sleep timer. when you close the lid for the laptop. or the buttons, say the shutdown is a real shutdown, and the sleep button (it is usually on more or less ancient keyboards), let it be hibernation. the "sleep" mode is valid only in the presence of intact battery or in the laptop, or ups, otherwise it is almost equivalent to the emergency shutdown (for the Axis. gland do not care) - Reyna.Mueller commented on April 4th 20 at 00:38
April 4th 20 at 00:34
In the moment of switching on (and off) the power on the power bus is a high-frequency pulse and its amplitude may be higher than regular voltage. While on the bus and hang the capacitors, they degrade over time and this pulse may reach "the gentle" semiconductor chips, leading to their failure. On the other hand, the capacitors on the power lead to a steady voltage increase on the circuit, and the operation of the circuit while, on non-standard voltage, which is not very good.

On the new device shutdown must not in any way affect, but old can lead ( and leads) to the failure - most of the "combustions" occurs at the time of inclusion.
April 4th 20 at 00:36
No. For electronic components and any shutdown (which is "shutdown" that "pulled out from the mains") power supply acts the same way. The mechanical — in different ways: the fan stops spinning and the hard drive is a tracking system that parks the heads and stops the spindle. The file system need to be considered specifically, for example, NTFS is transactional, asynchronous — you need to really try that would be to spoil it.
Some write that does not break down the details,others write that a little break - abigail.Corkery commented on April 4th 20 at 00:39
@abigail.Corkery, From power outages, breaks were almost faulty (when the marriage is selling on the cheap as healthy). For example, a "high frequency pulse" can be a good power supply? What degradation, if that is not produced in the last century? - Keyon.Hean commented on April 4th 20 at 00:42
April 4th 20 at 00:38
No, it won't.
Many said that capacitors deteriorate and RAM burn - abigail.Corkery commented on April 4th 20 at 00:41
@abigail.Corkery, about the capacitors and RAM don't know, but the pump cooling system, for example, such a shutdown is not exactly good. - Susanna.Bartoletti67 commented on April 4th 20 at 00:44
@abigail.Corkery, nonsense, from de-energization neither the capacitors nor the RAM can not be damaged
@Susanna.Bartoletti67what "is" disabling is different from the regular? - lolita_Olson commented on April 4th 20 at 00:47
@lolita_Olson, and I quote:
"At the moment of turn on (and off) the power on the power bus is a high-frequency pulse and its amplitude may be higher than regular voltage. While on the bus and hang the capacitors, they degrade over time and this pulse may reach "the gentle" semiconductor chips, leading to their failure. On the other hand, the capacitors on the power lead to a steady voltage increase on the circuit, and the operation of the circuit while, on non-standard voltage, which is not very good.

On the new device shutdown must not in any way affect, but old can lead ( and leads) to the failure - most of the "combustions" occurs at the time of inclusion." - abigail.Corkery commented on April 4th 20 at 00:50
This is nonsense. Deteriorate. - noemy_Kling commented on April 4th 20 at 00:53
April 4th 20 at 00:40
Yes, partially, the explanation is very simple. When you turn off the computer forcibly, you're not giving completed the programs and operating system. The cache is erased without recording, the temporary file is not saved as it should. As far as I know, it affects it performance hard disk is going to trash pending temporary files that the system (Windows) tries to access.
The computer itself this is not broken, but deteriorates the performance of the operating system, especially if it is Windows.
On the system do not care-will reset.The main thing that PC is not spoiled - abigail.Corkery commented on April 4th 20 at 00:43
@Cooper What kind of magical nonsense I read?
Which cache is what are temporary files?
And what does Windows - adella commented on April 4th 20 at 00:46
@abigail.Corkery, nothing bad's gonna happen. - Cooper commented on April 4th 20 at 00:49
@adella, Okay, learn how programs work, in principle, there is on Linux and on the Mac, but with Windows it is noticeably stronger than anything. Read about temporary files and so on. - Cooper commented on April 4th 20 at 00:52
@abigail.Corkery, to Kill a modern computer is very difficult. I did it 1 time when I susboil memory module in the computer to reboot times 70.

In the end, I still finished off the screw and then not until the end - adella commented on April 4th 20 at 00:55
@Cooper -"to Kill a modern computer is very difficult. I did it 1 time when I susboil memory module in the computer to reboot times 70.

In the end, I still finished off the screw and not to the end"
-To whom now to believe?.. - abigail.Corkery commented on April 4th 20 at 00:58
@Cooper, I learned like 15 years ago, actually my question and what caused such a cache and what do they affect?

Let's start with the simple: what files *.tmp ~name.ext name.ext.bak And how they affect the operating system.
Why do we need variables %tmp% %temp%

And why I have focused on the ramdisk?

Describe the boot process of Windows c the moment you enter the protected mode, as well, describe who puts the processor in this mode.

Describe the facial joints are inept Linux where you can atypical piece of metal just deleting the directory. - adella commented on April 4th 20 at 01:01
@abigail.CorkeryIf you need to pass the project. And you repeatedly turn the computer on, then you still will achieve the. In my case, could not stand the hard drive. However, the story ended happily, the customer just bought me delovski Buk as a gift. - adella commented on April 4th 20 at 01:04
@abigail.Corkery,
In the end, I still finished off the screw and not to the end"
-To whom now to believe?..

He's not described the process. Moreover, it is unclear that it was for the failure, whether there was a failure the result of bad memory module (which, in turn, could also be not the cause but the result of a malfunction, for example, macplay).

In principle from the constant on-off switch (not so important, click, or via menu - just click is easier to do and faster), sooner or later (probably later) maybe something to break (in the first place - the mechanics of the HDD type). From this point of view the PC is better to keep everything switched on. In practice, from the point of view of home user much of a difference. - ubaldo commented on April 4th 20 at 01:07
@adella,
where you can atypical piece of metal just deleting the directory.

Wow, how interesting. But the specifics - what directory, what kind of iron? And how do I call the system, which ceases to boot, if you delete the font file? - Katelin commented on April 4th 20 at 01:10
Keep specifics
https://liberatum.ru/news/25118 - adella commented on April 4th 20 at 01:13
@Thad, @adella, @abigail.Corkery, @Cooper, the entire speech here is about is not correct the end of the system. and that is not all by far:
- the Windows (do not remember exactly, vozmozhno default) the Linux like usually not, but BOTH elementary system configured to perform correct completion, when you press the power button
- all described nightmares, elementary avariynoe caught in the power outage and lack of UPS-a (or not a correct configuration, or a dead battery.. etc)
- how destructive would be the consequences for the Axis seivice from what she was doing at the time of the stop. if it was a big upgrade will hawknose can both types of system. alone - most likely both to care. although Windows for home users, loves background than to do, then risks are higher. but not so straight fatally. modern background processes increasingly are based on transactions. the meaning of the word in Google.
Subtotal - the question is irrelevant - Reyna.Mueller commented on April 4th 20 at 01:16
@adella, what about the specifics? Samsung has released a UEFI with a lot of code that hangs when certain usage scenarios? Happen.
And then what? What does this have to the question? - Hyman.Flatl commented on April 4th 20 at 01:19
@Hyman.Flatl, That's the bigger problem. I frankly was too lazy to look. It applies not only to Samsung, it was noticed with the MSI and some other models. Mantainer did not want to edit the code, and left as is, although some like crutches entered.

However my rather abrupt response was addressed to "specialist" @Cooper who not understanding the mechanics of operation of the OS trying to give advice.

However Linux can really ruin the equipment, for example when you edit the DSDT file.
Moreover, this procedure is inevitable if you want it to work how it was intended. - adella commented on April 4th 20 at 01:22
April 4th 20 at 00:42
Will. But it is so minor that your computer will become obsolete sooner than fail
April 4th 20 at 00:44
Yes.
In the first place button. It's the mechanics, it is from taps to deteriorate and fail over time.
Also when you turn off triggers Parking of the heads on the disk, it is also a mechanic and also has a certain resource.
In my PC case for 20 years including buttons in it. MFM HDD anymore for a very long time, and in ATA HDD in the concept of "Parking the heads" is missing physically.
But motherboard died twice, and once the HDD and memory - shanna92 commented on April 4th 20 at 00:47
@shanna92, and the power supply 20 years ? it would be interesting to look at electrolytes. (I'm busy right now "resuscitation" of the 12-year-old block - perebivay it conder. - Sarina_Bog commented on April 4th 20 at 00:50
@shanna92,
MFM HDD anymore for a very long time, and in ATA HDD in the concept of "Parking the heads" is missing physically.
The Parking of the heads is in any HDD.
The principle of reading has changed. - Hyman.Flatl commented on April 4th 20 at 00:53
Well, not only the principle of Park other, but the principle of reading and writing. Generally they have a fundamentally different design. MFM HDD it's simply a floppy disk drive has multiple disks fixed in a sealed housing. In a modern HDD typically one pancake and one head which does not touch the surface and is discharged automatically when power is turned off. - shanna92 commented on April 4th 20 at 00:56
@shanna92, I don't know why you remembered the antiquity. Conversation like about modern technology - and Parking there.
No Parking head just falls on the disk after shutdown. - Hyman.Flatl commented on April 4th 20 at 00:59
Button basically?How spoiled parts,percents,the RAM vidyuhi?Feel sorry for them - abigail.Corkery commented on April 4th 20 at 01:02
@Sarina_Bog, of course Not. This housing has 6 systems survived. As for the "replacement of conder" this is stupid fun dummies. Capacitors just go bad, a PSU which has more than 5 years in the comp I never put even with new capacitors. - shanna92 commented on April 4th 20 at 01:05
@abigail.Corkery, I wrote, spoils everything, but so slowly that, as a rule, the computers throw quite serviceable. If something broke down within 5 years it's either marriage, or unreasonable actions of the VA. - shanna92 commented on April 4th 20 at 01:08
@Hyman.Flatl, Well, no modern HDD Parking in the understanding as you see it. About Parking is from the most ancient times, when HDD had a team that cleaned the heads with the disks. In modern HDD Parking mechanism is very primitive and practically eternal, there is in principle nothing to fail. - shanna92 commented on April 4th 20 at 01:11
@shanna92, judging by the fact that the "motherboard died twice, and once the HDD and memory," prevention of power supply you obviously ignored :)

much cheaper to have the time to clean the power unit and to replace the electrolyte than to change the burned-out mother with the processor. and it's not just for computers but is relevant to almost all electronics . - Sarina_Bog commented on April 4th 20 at 01:14
@shanna92, And what is there to imagine? The head floats above the surface of the plate only due to the airbag.
Stop the disk and the head will fall to the plate.
Parking - the process of diversion head outside of the plate. Regular mechanic.
And mechanics that wear during operation and a limited number of cycles. - Hyman.Flatl commented on April 4th 20 at 01:17
@shanna92,
As for the "replacement of conder" this is stupid fun dummies. Capacitors just go bad, a PSU which has more than 5 years in the comp I never put even with new capacitors.
All parts used in computer - electrolytic capacitors have the shortest lifespan. More particularly there is nothing to break during normal operating conditions. And electrolytic capacitor dries very quickly. - Hyman.Flatl commented on April 4th 20 at 01:20
@Hyman.FlatlAgain greybeards bike. Electrolytic capacitors SEALED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is why nothing can evaporate, which means they can't dry. Dried up some Soviet capacitors made as came from shit and sticks on the technology of 40 years. Another thing if not particularly honest Chinese manufacturer overstates the parameters of the condenser in particular to voltage. In this case, the capacitor over time, sometimes short breaks with beautiful fireworks, but usually he just falls internal DC resistance as a consequence of this current increases several times, and the power even more. All of this is released as heat which vaporizes the electrolyte and the resulting gases inflate it (tightness, however). Itself and the capacitance of this capacitor decreases significantly.
I'll surprise you but the life of a good capacitor that is not working at maximum capacity, may be higher than the rectifier diode. What fall back resistance of the diode externally on the diode will not effect, but even a small voltage of negative polarity can easily withdraw the filter capacitor failure. And then the dummies wonder why expensive capacitors swell after replacing a couple of months

PS. Well, not like I do not understand those who skimp on the PSU. - shanna92 commented on April 4th 20 at 01:23
@Sarina_Bog, Yes, I "prevention of BP" don't bother, I they are changed every 3-4 years, and all die components die within the warranty period, which, as everyone knows, and provides for detection of the defects. Well, of course I don't buy bullshit, recently learned that an old iron which I sold 7 years ago, works well so far including BP without any prevention and "replacement of conder" - shanna92 commented on April 4th 20 at 01:26
@shanna92,
Electrolytic capacitors SEALED!
The electrolyte, as well as any fluid expands as it warms.
Then the capacitor or explodes with a loud Bang, or swells, there is a crack on special cuts, and tightness is broken. Then it dries. - Hyman.Flatl commented on April 4th 20 at 01:29
@Hyman.Flatl, Tom, you seem to be not a stupid man, but didn't seem to know how.
Depressurization of the capacitor is a consequence of its defect, not a cause. The cause of failure of capacitor is an electrical breakdown (short) electrodes. What if in film or semiconductor capacitors, this is definitely a drop in the internal resistance, the electrolytic is not required, but capacity will be reduced by far. Ie, it often happens that a very decent electrolyte not has a stated capacity that in such cases, the dummies say that the capacitor has "dried up". Not the fact that swollen capacitor burst, ie he's not technically "dry", the evaporated electrolyte at cooling condenseries , but nevertheless it is faulty. But even if the capacitor is busted no matter dry or not, because it's all the same to be replaced.
Chaykovsky forget this crap about "dry" capacitors. If the capacitor is faulty then he PUNCHED.

Again, the breakdown of the capacitor occurs only in two cases: 1. Exceeding the allowable stress. 2. variable voltage of negative polarity (the failure of the rectifier diodes)
What the second case is not as rare as you think, but to define it without a good oscilloscope is usually impossible. Banal "continuity" diode does nothing if they are not fully punched - shanna92 commented on April 4th 20 at 01:32
April 4th 20 at 00:46
In addition to these problems of a purely mechanical wear of the hard drives, lubrication and bearings themselves fans, and demagnetization of the surface of the plates HDD (which can significantly improve low-level formatting of the hard drive every few years).
The electrolyte gradually evaporates through the pores microplates and materials of the buildings of the capacitors, and, as a result of chemical processes, metal plates gradually dissolve in the electrolyte, from which the capacitors degrade. Semiconductors age and degrade from the heat. Ferrite chokes are not aging as fast as the first two. I've seen many computers that have dried up conder, but only one version of the Intel processor showed thermal aging, but a whole series of this processor. What model was - I do not remember, some old stump to 4 1500mgts. Brains, I believe, "go", mostly for this reason. Metal fatigue from vibration when the conductors are not secured tightly, unable to break - a thing not very relevant for a computer, but for buttons with a metal bendable contacts (especially on cell phones where everything is tiny and very vague), different springs - easily. Most often cracks in the motherboard. Dry and brittle of the plastic parts of the housing of the computer, when different break off small lids or parts, too easily.
-PC.I have a SSD - abigail.Corkery commented on April 4th 20 at 00:49

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