What is better for an online store or bitrix opencart?

All kind time of day!

You need to make the online store of goods of 10 000. The choice fell on 2 OpenCart cms and Bitrix. Purely from the point of view of efficiency what to choose?

On both systems is the question of "curve hands" is also not considered ))
June 10th 19 at 15:16
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June 10th 19 at 15:18
Solution
Opencart is very useful for a serious project on it not to do - will be a big effort. Bitrix is very overrated due to the aggressive marketing, and really disgusting, once you try to do something not quite standard. Ie both not very good.

Look at some of Magento or similar projects.
And Magento a good community? There are Russian-speaking of the website? Whip found these: https://magentorus.ru/ , magebox.ru , https://magento-forum.ru/

Can at least one more similar project to give an example? - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 15:21
Honestly , I have no problem with English, I was not looking for ever Russian-speaking resources on it. But there are Russian-speaking branch off the forum, for example: https://community.magento.com/t5/Russian/bd-p/russia - Guiseppe commented on June 10th 19 at 15:24
June 10th 19 at 15:20
Bitrix popularity is on the 4th place in the world, though after 3 free.
And he's imprisoned under the IMAG
instrumentation in this is more than enough.
But it's like comparing photoshop and pbrush one better n harder on the second is easier and cheaper.
That is, as I understand it, the choice is not equal. And the other three to that for Bitrix cms? At opencert have a lot to add handles? And whence the data about popularity? There is a link to the rankings? - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 15:23
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The first three is free ;)
wordpress
joomla
drupal
so say that typeo3 - but for me it is complete shit do not understand how it can make Bitrix to compete, rather a relic of the past.
SMS for blogs I do not take.
The choice is obvious
If you want to try some free CMS, joomla and go
entry level it zero
But Bitrix stronger and develop more
That's the only functionality where as navarachana
and If you plan to integrate with 1C etc Then only Bitrix - Guiseppe commented on June 10th 19 at 15:26
on integration, on Habre wrote "actually, Bitrix and 1C are different products created by different companies and developers of these products work independently from each other. You can't even tell that the developers 1C oriented in their work on the needs of users of Bitrix or Vice versa, that the developers of Bitrix into account in their work some of the innovations from 1C. But the Association of names is purely a marketing ploy, admittedly, very good. That is, this course can be considered a good progress with the marketing side, the technical side of positive examples from the Association I can not lead." - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 15:29
So in fact, and what cms for shops is a worthy competitor Bitrix? - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 15:32
And where is it written such a blatant lie? On the website of Bitrix or what?
It is not known to almost anywhere in Garnica and of course of no third place this podelio even do not have to dream.

But for normal shops use megento, and similar decisions, not a General purpose CMS. - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 15:35
here - https://habrahabr.ru/company/trinion/blog/315538/ Well, it's a distraction from the topic. So for myself it is better to choose? Is a worthy competitor Bitrix? - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 15:38
About the integration rightly write, it is no different from integration in other products, and not universal from the point of view configurations (like everyone), and still it will have to be finished to suit your needs (or 1C configuration). I.e. it's the usual marketing bullshit. - Guiseppe commented on June 10th 19 at 15:41
and, sorry. Not looked to a question. That is magento a competitor? And what else would you recommend? - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 15:44
, PrestaShop, Zen Cart. But Magento is probably easier due to the prevalence, the availability of ready-made solutions, etc. - Guiseppe commented on June 10th 19 at 15:47
ATP! - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 15:50
Pisces
Yes, companies are different and Beatrix was purchased by 1C
But to talk about the lack of mutual work, this is complete nonsense. - Guiseppe commented on June 10th 19 at 15:53
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So in fact, and what cms for shops is a worthy competitor Bitrix?

So well in fact worthy of not.
Oddly enough Bitrix with all its disadvantages ( they also have) looks great on a world level not to mention Russia.
Is also a plus that he is Russian and is focused under our legislation and services. - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 15:56
, Beatrix and rasprostranena and solutions in a large, I'm not talking about resonableness. - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 15:59
I would not began so categorically to judge. Maybe it is not such nonsense as it seems at first glance. - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:02
First uggled for 8 years rukovodjenje web Studio ? - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:05
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So well in fact worthy of not.

well, your answer is a sliding scale. Hard to believe that no one in the world not smart enough to do something worthwhile for online stores. Yes, maybe one plus objective - that Bitrix, hopefully, done for the people, for the people of Russia and really focused on the law.

Oh, something I casually reminded of our roads.. For the people of Russia. - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 16:08
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well, your answer is a sliding scale. Hard to believe that no one in the world not smart enough to do something worthwhile for online stores. Yes, maybe one plus objective - that Bitrix, hopefully, done for the people, for the people of Russia and really focused on the law.

Oh, something I casually reminded of our roads.. For the people of Russia.

Strangely believe it, but the Russians are able to do something not through the ass and even a competitive product.
And Yes, the entire Internet a little bit different from Russia.
For example we have a very developed SEO and in America, almost no
The average price of the project in Russia is much lower than that of the Bourgeoisie as a consequence, the own engines and unique solutions look much more pathetic. And then the engine fits in quite handy.
We use 1s nobody slushaetsya that he is a Russian.
The most popular hack of the bourgeoisie тайпо3 you yuzal?
This is the same as the offer to use Bitrix for your blog or forum, the idea is certainly cool and even modules there. But to regard it as a serious ridiculous.
And тайпо3 compared with Bitrix comers. - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:11
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Strangely believe it, but the Russians are able to do something not through the ass

And here is not the case. I never doubt that we have a very worthy professionals. The road we can also good to do, might believe it? But what was the need to make good roads? )) - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 16:14
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Bitrix commercial project.
Road saw, in business models are simply not working
Here's an example
Russian film "the Nutcracker" 100 million dollars ( even by bourgeois standards, it's a triple a)
Look at reviews on YouTube, I there stupidly cried.
So why can't we make a good film
1. No good actors, because to be good you have to be in a good movie, but they are not
2. good producer.... there are even obsujdat think it makes no sense Mikhalkov life is good and "tax Mikhalkovskaya"
3.And the business model of earnings, all just to get money from Mosfilm, it is the purpose of the event.
All of this business model finished. Everything else is scraps.

For FREE nobody will buy it fucking RUSNANO buys it.
Or it is like developing a product or a fuck nobody wants.
HostCMS at the time I had with them to fuck the older revision could not go to php5.3 and in addition it was closed zend optimizer which of course was not in the new PHP, as a result, I had to keep a separate version pykhy on the server for a single website 7years!
And don't think they're ripe, we just transferred a site on Bitriks ;(

In short the idea is that Beatrix with all its disadvantages and they are sooo many, even so the best product for comerc. And Yes there are industries in which Bitrix't better.
But for comerc fact. - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:17
I certainly liked this passionate response! I'm not versed in business models, but veschuet my heart... )) But let's leave it. You are me and not convinced that there is no counterpart let me see the world ranking where cms Bitrix 4? And that Mageto, too bad? - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 16:20
here I have for example such a practice. I work mainly with the frontend and not only when touching the backend. That is what I am - don't touch anything that could interfere with the work of the cms and cause errors.

Work with different cms, equally everywhere put as crooked and straight, in Bitrix that in a different system. So at equal other conditions of any misunderstandings and error somehow occurs more in Bitrix. Why??? It is so designed, that the people are not able to understand it?

PS I do not oppose Bitrix, by and large I don't care. My task is to choose a cms, and want to objectively understand the situation, if possible. - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:23
a more sophisticated tool, the more stocks
in my opinion this is natural. - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 16:26
Briefly around the above:
Only on our Bitrix distributed. In the world his just proportion is vanishingly small.
It is made openly through the ass. Soft worse written are hard to find. He's on the level of DLE any, and only very aggressive marketing and the prefix 1C name keeps it afloat.
And if you truly believe that Bitrix good, then you just haven't tried anything decent, and I am sorry. - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 16:29
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the more complex the tool, the more stocks in my opinion this is natural.

Yes, there is not the schools business, and unsuccessful initial architecture, which generates more and more problems even in the new boxed versions, not to mention the projects that are proliferating on the engine Bitrix. - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:32
Yes , it is the shoals
But also with him for Runet there is no more appropriate tool.
And most of the shoals can easily cost.
However, other CMS corny do not have time for them.
Ranging from the banal security of manual hacking and banal viruses. - Guiseppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:35
, В плане CMS соглашусь, что они все страдают общей проблемой, тем, что их архитектура далека от MVC, то что они плохо используют механизмы ООП, тем что они вынуждены поддерживать старые версии, тем что у них нет элементарных UNIT-тестов. Ну и самый главный недостаток, это то, что чем универсальней система, тем хуже у нее с производительностью - это объективная реальность.
Потому то проще использовать фреймворки и писать только то, что необходимо проекту, отказавшись от CMS вообще. - Roderick92 commented on June 10th 19 at 16:38
With performance problems due to ignorance of architecture and pathological unwillingness to understand the complex tool.
I have the average load of the shop with 25K of goods more than 300 offline points etc. 4.3 seconds to build the whole house models and statics.
and this is with 3 necesasarily queries. though 1 of them can ubral through the composite.
during the work with Bitrix, I don't see any 1 of the project collected in 4.5 on Bitrix mostly 2 or even 0 ( 5 ball)
And they slowly from 16K uncached queries to the page when he writes how it goes.

I have everything working fast.
Yes there are things that must be done through hiload but I don't see any product that would fit my needs 100% and it applies not only to FREE but the I even the Linux crap can. But that doesn't mean it's not a great tool.
Speed on Bitrix is great. BUT as you know ANY API involves slowing down And as you know any BIG IPAS as a large slow and not so nimble php
But on Bitrix, there are tools to solve this problem but without it is not a fact.

Show me the website and I'll tell you what you need to do that he earned as much as expected, the developers of SMS
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Support the same old shit and here I agree, but it's a marketing necessity, then really what are you gonna do, partially solves the problem D7.
Although of course apnut Bitrix from version 7.0 to 17.5 it should be a real psycho. - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:41
and you can link to the website? - Roderick92 commented on June 10th 19 at 16:44
www.mydefile.ru
The specifics of purchase, corporate policy ( MDE, it's not me)
But this "business" 17K uniques per day.
Integration with 1C obsalyutno everything including contacts ( Magazov dobrinishe)
Works on stable increment over 2 years
No customs, apaem update without a backup in production - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:47
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Performance problems due to ignorance of architecture and pathological unwillingness to understand the complex tool.

Even on native PHP and even in C you can write in a way that will slow down. I'm not attacking Beatrix. I would rather share CMS and NASM.
For example, there is a table in the database, and I want to display its data in the browser. How many additional queries to the database will make Bitrix with this mission? I understand that there is caching of the queries is the optimization mechanisms. But for this particular task requires one request, but any CMS will do dozens of others, even if cached. And if you count how many checks will be performed at the same......
This is the reverse side of universality. - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 16:50
yeah
Owned by no one writes to assembler
and you're not kodish pictures ( although I did)
Yes slower performance in favor of quantity, but the price is the number of interrupts the figure.
Clean business.
So corny cheaper. - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:53
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Well, this is a distortion, though on the assembler write until now. :)
I said that for any site it is more logical to take only the necessary functionality, and do not use regasm. By the time it takes will work and composer will configure. In terms of price all free. Now that's pure business, so banal cheaper. - Roderick92 commented on June 10th 19 at 16:56
no not cheaper
the Doro TSMs is a 20 hours of a web developer.
the price is essentially zero. - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 16:59
Right , put together a website on freeware is not more than 20 hours of development, but in the case of Bitrix and CMS itself to buy. - Roderick92 commented on June 10th 19 at 17:02
24тысячи "small business' 1700р per hour, and how much is it ? - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 17:05
where are the developers hiding... freelance does not understand what's going on )) That is to close the online store in 20 hours? It's very interesting! How much is the hour? - Roderick92 commented on June 10th 19 at 17:08
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I'm telling you that the price of the engine finally zero
any nudge your coder can easily be more than the cost of the license. - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 17:11
I don't about your comment. Alex wrote above :

Right, put together a website on freeware is not more than 20 hours of development, but in the case of Bitrix and CMS itself to buy.
- ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 17:14
well , actually you can for 20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBn7WLeEpA4 - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 17:17
On freelancing just going on a divorce. Everyone has pieces that they're trying to sell expensive. The same marketing.
For example if I am on the framework, gathered one store, a second store, the third. How much time will it take to collect the fourth? Right! I already have, I just pull back the template and change logos in the admin area.
If something is not, or the customer has specific requirements that will require new development, it will not matter, because these specific (custom solutions) will have to create further on any CMS.
At the same hidjabe there are modules for almost any need. But if it's a task which is not included in the standard solution, have rolled up their sleeves, to be really for development. But like I said, in this case, none of the CMS will not help you, there will also have to do the same. In this case I will prefer Freeverse, as there will be easier to create than CMS. - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 17:20
and how much is an hour worth? )) Can you give orders? - Lavern_Schuppe commented on June 10th 19 at 17:23
Yes as with all freelancing, around 10 bucks. If you want to "create" that I have will be a discount. If you really need to create something, it will ask for a little more, since in addition to development and create tests.
But this is not a CMS, I have so many add-ons did for Drupal, Joomla, Bitrix, that don't want to mess with them.
When a student, moonlighting, those that engaged in the plumbing, fix leaking taps, and even cleaned toilets. But in the past.... CMS is also in the past. Recent years I do not even dare just say they don't know. I admit that they could change for the better over the years, but let them pick students. It's all in the past.... - Roderick92 commented on June 10th 19 at 17:26
okay, I'll keep in mind - ewald commented on June 10th 19 at 17:29
, HostCMS 2012 doesn't require Zend Optimizer. Currently supports php 7.2 - Roderick92 commented on June 10th 19 at 17:32

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