Mathematics of extraterrestrial civilizations?

But can there be at all other math?
Our human perception, creates something on the basis of previously established ideas, processes, things, the first was the sundial, and then some, now here's a smart apple watch, it is one, it's a watch.

Therefore, it is very difficult or even impossible to imagine something completely new, something that would have seemed from another planet or even from another universe.

Let's have an intelligent extraterrestrial civilization.

If it is to be reasonable(not in a biological sense), technologically advanced, it just needs this science... Or is it?

For example whether the speed of light to differ from ours?

Read Ethan that the speed of light is such because it is the number kolebanii of the cesium atom(sort of), in the second guilty. If they measure the speed of light is not the cesium for example, what is different, is if their speed of light different? I don't even know exactly how the question is worded. In short, does all of the above that how different would race in the universe( if they exist of course), then they are doomed to open the same, like a vicious circle? It's not even a question, it can't be answered, just wondering who thinks about this?
June 10th 19 at 15:34
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June 10th 19 at 15:36
Conditionally accepted that mathematics is invariant. Therefore, most of the letters in space is mathematical.

However, it is not so. Mathematics appears to be only the totality of human knowledge. But it still does not mean that on some other planet or in another space 1+1=2. The fact that at this stage we can only prove that we cannot prove that mathematics is the same throughout the universe.

And, of course, has not been canceled forms: 1+1=2 similarly a c = e.
Well something like that I wanted to hear, thank you. - lia commented on June 10th 19 at 15:39
Disagree fundamentally! You are looking too superficially. Mathematics is a product of the mind (see my answer below). There is no universal 1+1=2. It's only our imagination, our determination, our (in the end) notation. 1+1=2 is just the algebra of natural numbers. Algebra you can think of any, where 1, 2 are not integers. Universe knows nothing even about the numbers. It is our notion that we in the head comfortable this abstract model.

The question is, there is arranged an alien intelligence on the most fundamental level as our. If so, and mathematics is the same. - Remington_Kiehn64 commented on June 10th 19 at 15:42
well I wrote)) - Alize_Moen commented on June 10th 19 at 15:45
June 10th 19 at 15:38
But can there be at all other math?
no. But variables can be named differently and/or found in different sequence, which will lead to other widely-accepted expressions

from another universe
There is some evidence of the existence of such?

will they be the speed of light is different

all of them are doomed to open the same, like a vicious circle?
There is some evidence of the existence of such?

Let's have an intelligent extraterrestrial civilization.

PROFIT - lia commented on June 10th 19 at 15:41
, ? - Remington_Kiehn64 commented on June 10th 19 at 15:44
well , you asked if there was proof of the existence of other universes, I answered my assumption about the existence of the VTS, that is, it didn't confuse you at the moment believe that they are? And I think it is clear, what about other universes is the same assumption as the assumption of the existence of CC. - Alize_Moen commented on June 10th 19 at 15:47
No, your allegory / Parallels between VTS and other strange universes

If nothing does not prohibit to sushestvovat VTS, the existence of other Universes is rather fantastic - lia commented on June 10th 19 at 15:50
what about the universes the way I had, this is not important for the issue was - marilyne_Roh commented on June 10th 19 at 15:53

Those answer in fact, you have no - lia commented on June 10th 19 at 15:56
what response? about the other universes are irrelevant, I do not deny or confirm their existence, I'm not a physicist, and unfounded to say something stupid. And you have proof of their absence? - marilyne_Roh commented on June 10th 19 at 15:59
June 10th 19 at 15:40
It is not mathematics, and physics. You affect the areas that are usually engaged in theoretical physics. And there everything is possible.
It is rather the theme of the mind that can think of this physics than the specific topic of physics. - lia commented on June 10th 19 at 15:43
Sorry, in theoretical physics, a theory which describes the world with the other constants? - Remington_Kiehn64 commented on June 10th 19 at 15:46
imagine there is. Read about the theory of expansion and contraction of the universe and how this affects the gravitational constant for example. - Alize_Moen commented on June 10th 19 at 15:49
in the current state of the extension constants do not change

Compression was not observed until the dream do not want - lia commented on June 10th 19 at 15:52
June 10th 19 at 15:42
Followed in respect of mathematics principles of Platonism. I mean... the idea (Eidos) exists independently of our existence. For example, the idea of a square, the idea of numbers, etc.
But we because of the limitations of our senses and our minds don't know all the properties of these tings. That is, the Eidos, which we manipulate in science, in mathematics is only the projection of these tings on our minds.

On being arranged differently, thinking differently real Eidos is projected is also different. Thus, there is some General math for all patterns. Our private math as part of the universal mathematics. And there is a private math others. Private mathematics can intersect in some parts, but, in General, the case can not intersect.

Here is an example: any reasonable blind slugs from Aldebaran may not know about the Pythagorean theorem in the absence of visual thinking, but since they communicate through taps pseudopodia (similar to Morse code), then it can have the idea about the idea of numbers (2 of knock, knock 3+4 pats). And if you know about the number, you can generalize about it, to identify any laws. And 2 Yes 2 knock knock if you're slug of old age - still 4 knocking.
Plato is hopelessly outdated. Postpositivism, buddy, postpositivism. - lia commented on June 10th 19 at 15:45
We're from the finger sucking alien math. I think there is no sense to care about falsifiable if we got the design or not. And so it's okay if grandpa Plato a few times in the coffin, still commits :-| - Remington_Kiehn64 commented on June 10th 19 at 15:48
June 10th 19 at 15:44
1. The Foundation of all of mathematics is based on logic and set theory. All other derivatives theory — the add-on from definitions and axioms. Logic and set theory is absolutely fundamental, because an obvious exploit people and undefined concepts, such as "many". If we start from this Foundation, then the rest of mathematics is inevitably in some sense the same.

In what sense. Let's say the aliens have been able to develop those areas of mathematics which do not exist on Earth simply because of historical reasons. Let their derived theories absolutely other definitions and axioms. Nevertheless, hypothetically, an alien examining such theories, we will inevitably understand and agree with their validity.

However, we cannot exclude that the "BIOS" in the head of the aliens is completely different. And they don't understand what "a lot" in principle. Then they all have nothing to talk about. We can say that they have "math" in our understanding is missing.

2. What is mathematics? It has no subject field, in contrast to physics. You can be sure that the "physics" of the aliens is. But mathematics is a pure product of the mind. The subject area of mathematics is emptiness in the sense of "nothing". It is subjective, if by subject is to understand humanity in General, as it depends on the device mind.

3. It turns out that everything depends on the question, what is the reason. If the mind is something inherent in logic, in the sense it is "our" logic (though all that "not our" logic, and logic is not). So my conclusion is that those aliens, which we think is reasonable, the math is the same. Simply put "Mind = Maths".
Because mathematics arose from philosophy, and the philosophy of the aliens is different, the math they have is also different. - lia commented on June 10th 19 at 15:47

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